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Re: BVE Central Line

Post by Terrence1946 on Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:50 pm

Ad1992 wrote:Well from the looks of it, your openbve programe is in a different location to where the routes are instealled, it just seems a bit odd.
That may be true but I need to know how to put this right!

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Post by Terrence1946 on Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:56 pm

Ad1992 wrote:Well from the looks of it, your openbve programe is in a different location to where the routes are instealled, it just seems a bit odd.
And how do I rectify this please?

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Post by Ad1992 on Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:15 pm

By transferring all your route and object folders in to the same directory as your bve one.
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Post by Quork on Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:49 pm

Stop! The program and the addons can be saved in different locations. They're even on totally different drives in my case. In fact, that's the way stuff should usually be done. Programs and user data (and addons are user data) shouldn't be mixed.

Ad1992, would you be able to a) create and b) host (size!) a zip/7z file containing *all* Central Line stuff?
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Post by graymac on Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:23 pm

Stop! The program and the addons can be saved in different locations. They're even on totally different drives in my case. In fact, that's the way stuff should usually be done. Programs and user data (and addons are user data) shouldn't be mixed.

When you understand how the file structure SHOULD be then you can locate stuff more or less wherever you want it. This was always the problem for new or inexperienced users. The windows installer and the "package management" as per current latest stable versions more or less eliminates errors, at least when user is downloading properly packaged routes/trains from providers.
I've tried it - with a "virgin" win10 tablet PC I have - assuming no knowledge and having no previous installation I downloaded the program from the project site. Then I added a route and a train from celtictrainsim.com and it all worked "straight out of the box". I also did much the same with an old laptop (win7, 32bit) which I had given a clean system install, and that was glitch free too.
That is how users ought to experience the sim, and not have to go blindly messing with trying to get files and folders in the right place.
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Post by Quork on Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:59 pm

Yes! Hence my question whether a single package aproach would be feasible.
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Post by graymac on Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:15 pm

There's flexibility enough in the "package" approach. I adopted Chris's packaging system from the start and its been no trouble to me or any users as far as I know. I've found no problem with "one route per package" for the actual route itself My routes are anything between 30Mb and 60Mb downloads, and as for the trains, the biggest CTS train / rolling stock download (201 locos) is about 24mb though the rest are often a lot less. If people complained that the 201 files were too hard to download I would have considered splitting them down to individual loco sets but (so far) nobody has told me of difficulty with the whole package as it is currently.
  As a matter of interest, do we (any of us) have stats on which routes /trains / providers are fully compliant with the "package management" button on the program?
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Post by Ad1992 on Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:53 pm

Quork wrote:Stop! The program and the addons can be saved in different locations. They're even on totally different drives in my case. In fact, that's the way stuff should usually be done. Programs and user data (and addons are user data) shouldn't be mixed.

Ad1992, would you be able to a) create and b) host (size!) a zip/7z file containing *all* Central Line stuff?

I won't just do that, I will update the manual too with a much simpler installation method.
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Post by SP1900 on Sun Apr 08, 2018 11:02 pm

Ad1992 wrote:

I won't just do that, I will update the manual too with a much simpler installation method.
Oh and while you’re at it could you update the train model a little just like you did with the 1996 stock?
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Post by graymac on Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:46 pm

This may (or may not) help?
http://celtictrainsim.com/product/Installing.pdf
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Post by Terrence1946 on Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:51 am

graymac wrote:This may (or may not) help?
http://celtictrainsim.com/product/Installing.pdf
Many thanks for that and to all who have contributed to trying to solve my original problem.  I now have BVE central line up and running (see screenshot) BUT I seem unable to run the train, even after following the operating instructions!  I cannot seem to enter 'N' (bottom left of screenshot) even after using the 'delete' key and 'page down' key (3 times for ATO).  I'm probably doing something wrong but what?


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Post by Terrence1946 on Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:00 pm

The problem above has been sorted:

"if you wish to drive in CM:
press F on your keyboard to put the train in forward
press page down once to put the train in CM
about 20 sec before you depart white city you will get a target speed

if you wish to drive in ATO:
press F on your keyboard to put the train in forward
press Z 4 times to put the train in Neutral 
press page down twice to put the train in ATO
close the doors and press 5 and 8 at the same time till the train starts moveing." (courtesy of '1996 stock stalker').

However, I still have a problem in understanding how to use CM. A step by step process would be greatly appreciated.  After all, the use of this is required to shunt 1992 stock into siding at Liverpool Street.

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Post by Ad1992 on Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:34 pm

Terrence1946 wrote:The problem above has been sorted:

"if you wish to drive in CM:
press F on your keyboard to put the train in forward
press page down once to put the train in CM
about 20 sec before you depart white city you will get a target speed

if you wish to drive in ATO:
press F on your keyboard to put the train in forward
press Z 4 times to put the train in Neutral 
press page down twice to put the train in ATO
close the doors and press 5 and 8 at the same time till the train starts moveing." (courtesy of '1996 stock stalker').

However, I still have a problem in understanding how to use CM. A step by step process would be greatly appreciated.  After all, the use of this is required to shunt 1992 stock into siding at Liverpool Street.

Finally!

Yes, I know. In the next version of the 92 stock I plan to make a guide much like I did for the 1996 stock.

Right then let me make it simple.

1 To turn the cab on or off press Del to turn the key; listen for the key sound. So that being the case press Del once.

2 Press Page down to rotate the master control switch clockwise, and page up anticlockwise. In our case Press page down to turn it anti clockwise and select Coded Manual mode.
Note that the MCS has a few different positions to select, in clockwise order these are. 

Shutdown -  The switch starts in the mode.

Restricted Manual - Train can be driven manually without the atp, speed is restricted.

Coded Manual
- Train can be driven full speed manually in atp mode.

Ato -
The train drives itself to the next station, the only thing required from the driver is to open and close the doors, and Press and hold down the two start buttons for 3 seconds.


This being the case after turning the cab on by pressing Delete, Press Page down twice to select CM mode.
When the signal clears you will get a target speed and a chime up sound.

3 Close the doors and make sure the reverser is set to F. Now make sure the Brake is at least B3 or B4 position and then press spacebar to twist the TBC handle, you can now motor in Coded manual.

The important thing to remember here is, when you have stopped or if you drop the handle accidentally, put the brakes back in to b3 and 4 in order to re twist the handle so you can motor.




Also note that B4 does not do anything it is just there for the ATO.

Ato works with full braking, CM is slightly reduced so be careful on some of the approaches.



I hope this all makes sense to you, I realise this is a bit unnecessarily complicated but at the time it was how the plugin was made.
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Post by Terrence1946 on Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:48 am

Thanks for your time and input; everything working very well but, my word, CM mode isn't easy!  Two questions though:

1) How do I get all cameras working apart from F1, F2, and F3.  I don't really understand the control options and I'm not sure my keypad has all the functions I might need;

2) Can I load another BVE London Underground route into the same 'OpenBVE' which contains my current 'Central Line' installation? What route would be suitable for a total novice like me?

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Post by Ad1992 on Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:46 am

Terrence1946 wrote:Thanks for your time and input; everything working very well but, my word, CM mode isn't easy!  Two questions though:

1) How do I get all cameras working apart from F1, F2, and F3.  I don't really understand the control options and I'm not sure my keypad has all the functions I might need;

2) Can I load another BVE London Underground route into the same 'OpenBVE' which contains my current 'Central Line' installation? What route would be suitable for a total novice like me?

1 In answer to that you can always change your control settings in the Openbve options, I know that some keyboards don't have certain buttons these days.
What do you mean by all cameras? If you mean changing the camera position to each carriage you press F2, and then use the numpad buttons 7 and 1 to change between carriages.

2 By all means you can load another route, any route will do if all you want to is stop and start without a challenge.
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Post by Terrence1946 on Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:46 pm

Unfortunately, my keyboard doesn't have a numerical keypad.


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Post by Terrence1946 on Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:18 am

Strange thing has happened to my 'Central Line' simulation; can no longer use 'delete' key or 'page down' or 'page up' keys.  Simulation runs in manual ok but options for RM, CM, and ATO have gone.  Below is screenshot showing at bottom right a list I have never encountered before; this may be problem but I don't know what to do about it.


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Post by SP1900 on Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:40 am

Maybe it’s a problem with the Westinghouse ATP plugin. It really needs to be updated
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Re: BVE Central Line

Post by Terrence1946 on Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:23 am

And how do I do that?

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Post by Terrence1946 on Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:10 am

Problem resolved! Uninstalled my present version of 'Open BVE' for latest version.  All ok now.

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