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Post by Ad1992 on Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:02 pm

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Post by SP1900 on Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:01 pm

Are there gonna be more cosmetic changes to the 1996 stock in the futures? Like 3D couplers, more detail in the bogies and 3D wipers like in the 1992 stock and also the front and back car profile where it’s slightly angled at each end off to the side. Looking forward to the full versions of both and I’m really loving the demo w. With its high quality textures and clear announcements not to mention the destination displays You’ve really brought back the BVE London Underground 
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Post by Ad1992 on Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:35 pm

Are there gonna be more cosmetic changes to the 1996 stock in the futures? Like 3D couplers, more detail in the bogies and 3D wipers like in the 1992 stock and also the front and back car profile where it’s slightly angled at each end off to the side. Looking forward to the full versions of both and I’m really loving the demo w. With its high quality textures and clear announcements not to mention the destination displays You’ve really brought back the BVE London Underground 

The 1996 model is not 100% finished, you have probably noticed by now the lack of pickup shoes. Technically the train should be permenantly gapped and not move Very Happy
Yes the bogies and underneath are not finished either.
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Post by Revonthus on Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:30 pm

I'll like to say the phase one demo has been great and a great detail shown for a small short demo. I'll like to ask is there away you can improve the sound of the motor because it goes low pitch rather than sounding like the train. Also if you can, can you put some of the regular background noise on specific parts the journey e.g. when the train starts to slow down you get that motor change noise just before it enters the station. 

Once again it's been very good playing this short demo. BTW there are some OpenBve gamers on YouTube coming back because of this release so watch the creativity they might bring might entertain you.
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Post by Ad1992 on Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:47 pm

I'll like to say the phase one demo has been great and a great detail shown for a small short demo. I'll like to ask is there away you can improve the sound of the motor because it goes low pitch rather than sounding like the train. Also if you can, can you put some of the regular background noise on specific parts the journey e.g. when the train starts to slow down you get that motor change noise just before it enters the station.

Improve the sound of the motor?! With all due respect I spent a very long time listening to countless samples I have over and over again, I have done the best that Bve can do. The motor has been specifically edited so that you can accelerate or decelerate slowly; which is what the original version I made failed on.

I don't know what you mean by regular background noise, but i'll say again the motor sounds as it should.
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Post by Dexter on Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:45 pm

Ad1992 wrote:I don't know what you mean by regular background noise...

I think he was referring to some sort of ambient / looping noise.
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Post by Revonthus on Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:54 pm

The noise at 9:38, 11:42, 12:01 in this video

https://goo.gl/KzZPHJ


Also some cross junction noise such as 4:57


https://goo.gl/Txf1dF



https://goo.gl/3QQbyw - 13:35



As the motor noise fair enough, a lot of effort was put in making the train and is appreciated. These are the Feedback I will like to give back. But again thank you for creating this, I would understand that this development has taken your spare time and you're not getting an income from doing from this. Once again real appreciate this opportunity to play one of the most requested lines on the LU OpenBve.
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Post by Revonthus on Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:55 pm

Dexter wrote:
Ad1992 wrote:I don't know what you mean by regular background noise...

I think he was referring to some sort of ambient / looping noise.
Yeah
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Post by Ad1992 on Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:24 pm

The noise at 9:38, 11:42, 12:01 in this video

https://goo.gl/KzZPHJ

That is the sound of the rail pickup shoe, the track seems to cause the train to do that after so many miles.
This could potentially be added in to the run sound easily enough, I did consider trying to put it in before..

Also some cross junction noise such as 4:57
https://goo.gl/Txf1dF
Err I already did put cross junction sounds in, for both the surface and Nog.

As the motor noise fair enough, a lot of effort was put in making the train and is appreciated. These are the Feedback I will like to give back. But again thank you for creating this, I would understand that this development has taken your spare time and you're not getting an income from doing from this. Once again real appreciate this opportunity to play one of the most requested lines on the LU OpenBve

Thank you, I hope you continue to enjoy it.
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Post by Ad1992 on Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:26 pm

Revonthus wrote:
Dexter wrote:
Ad1992 wrote:I don't know what you mean by regular background noise...

I think he was referring to some sort of ambient / looping noise.
Yeah

I am still not sure specifically what ambient sound you are referring to?
If you mean the motor whining that is already in.
The only other ambient sound the 96 makes is the saloon vents, compressor from the trailer car, and the cooling fan that sometimes comes on for the brakes.
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Post by Revonthus on Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:53 pm

A bug was discovered by a YouTuber named Tube Check, and said before the train terminated at North Greenwich, he changed the destination to Willesden Green. 

Once he arrived at the station, it triggered the announcement to say the train terminates at Willesden instead of all change please. 

After that he started to reverse, whilst this was happening, the PED and accurate stop was still lit causing him to open the doors at any part of the station. He said he would upload a video but unlist it.
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Post by dgeddes on Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:03 pm

Revonthus wrote:A bug was discovered by a YouTuber named Tube Check, and said before the train terminated at North Greenwich, he changed the destination to Willesden Green. 

Once he arrived at the station, it triggered the announcement to say the train terminates at Willesden instead of all change please. 

After that he started to reverse, whilst this was happening, the PED and accurate stop was still lit causing him to open the doors at any part of the station. He said he would upload a video but unlist it.

Yes, I too noticed that when you reverse at a platform, the accurate stop light stays lit. However, I don't think that's got anything to do with the changing the destination announcements. But why should you ever needs to reverse at a platform anyway?
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Post by Northern Line on Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:53 am

Revonthus wrote:A bug was discovered by a YouTuber named Tube Check, and said before the train terminated at North Greenwich, he changed the destination to Willesden Green. 

Once he arrived at the station, it triggered the announcement to say the train terminates at Willesden instead of all change please. 

After that he started to reverse, whilst this was happening, the PED and accurate stop was still lit causing him to open the doors at any part of the station. He said he would upload a video but unlist it.

Consider firstly whenever you change the destination code before you reach the next station, the TMS will run announcements based on the destination set. so for instance if you set it to code 033 which is the North Greenwich destination but change it to Willesden Green prior to arriving at North Greenwich, the TMS updates so that when you open the doors at the stopping point it won't play the terminus announcement but will continue playing the station messages up to the destination, which to get to Willesden Green isn't possible right now Razz 

Second thing you mentioned there I also noticed. Given the PEDs interlock light is illuminated, it stays illuminated and doesn't reset. There would have been a code that works similar to the accurate stop but in this demo as you terminate at North Greenwich it will stay illuminated, even if you reverse or move the train forward. I'd assume there's no beacon present to reset both PEDs and Accurate Stop lights. I could be wrong, but I'm guessing once this route is progressed forward, this issue shouldn't be present. But I agree, why would you want to reverse the train in the wrong direction anyway Razz
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Post by Revonthus on Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:01 pm

I guess you have freedom to play around on the route also, if you overrun the doors don't open so why not reverse until you stop correctly. I might tryout different trains on this route, see what kind of response I get, besides it is OpenBve.
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Post by SP1900 on Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:09 pm

Never found that. Though in the tunnel to North Greenwich the trip clock randomly enables itself and I can’t turn it off
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Post by Ad1992 on Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:48 pm

SP1900 wrote:Never found that. Though in the tunnel to North Greenwich the trip clock randomly enables itself and I can’t turn it off
It is not random at all. The signal takes a few seconds to clear from red to green; that is how signals work on LU. The trainstop doesn't lower until the light is green and the red aspect is off.
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Post by Ad1992 on Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:01 pm

Northern Line wrote:
Revonthus wrote:A bug was discovered by a YouTuber named Tube Check, and said before the train terminated at North Greenwich, he changed the destination to Willesden Green. 

Once he arrived at the station, it triggered the announcement to say the train terminates at Willesden instead of all change please. 

After that he started to reverse, whilst this was happening, the PED and accurate stop was still lit causing him to open the doors at any part of the station. He said he would upload a video but unlist it.

Consider firstly whenever you change the destination code before you reach the next station, the TMS will run announcements based on the destination set. so for instance if you set it to code 033 which is the North Greenwich destination but change it to Willesden Green prior to arriving at North Greenwich, the TMS updates so that when you open the doors at the stopping point it won't play the terminus announcement but will continue playing the station messages up to the destination, which to get to Willesden Green isn't possible right now Razz 

Second thing you mentioned there I also noticed. Given the PEDs interlock light is illuminated, it stays illuminated and doesn't reset. There would have been a code that works similar to the accurate stop but in this demo as you terminate at North Greenwich it will stay illuminated, even if you reverse or move the train forward. I'd assume there's no beacon present to reset both PEDs and Accurate Stop lights. I could be wrong, but I'm guessing once this route is progressed forward, this issue shouldn't be present. But I agree, why would you want to reverse the train in the wrong direction anyway Razz

Ahhh, I just tried this and found the same problem.

I will look in to trying to fix this in the next version.
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Post by Ad1992 on Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:04 pm

A bug was discovered by a YouTuber named Tube Check, and said before the train terminated at North Greenwich, he changed the destination to Willesden Green. 

Once he arrived at the station, it triggered the announcement to say the train terminates at Willesden instead of all change please. 

After that he started to reverse, whilst this was happening, the PED and accurate stop was still lit causing him to open the doors at any part of the station. He said he would upload a video but unlist it.
Sigh..
As Northern Line said this is not a bug, it is possible at any time to change the destination on the real 1996 stock on the TMS, hence why it is set to do it in Bve too. Smile
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Post by openxrailbve on Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:17 pm

What a fantastic route, solid 60fps, nostalgia flowing in my mind when I see thee old seat designs. OpenBve is continuously breaking down barriers.

 I've also stumbled on the same YouTuber channel spotted by Revonthus called 'Tube Check' who has uploaded gameplay with MOTION BLUR (needs a bit practice using it though). Great job Ad1992 and the rest of the crew.

 Can't wait to cross junction at Canary Wharf and speed down all the way to Canada Water. It's manual too, dreams are coming true.
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Post by Ad1992 on Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:05 am

Finally someone not whinging about ATO and appreciative of proper signalling. Thank you you have made my day Smile.

Tube Check does annoy me a bit at times..

Yes the Jubilee from a driving perspective was so much better under conventional signalling, you had to actually pay attention Wink 

Canary wharf is currently wip but the trackwork up to it is done. Wink
I have also decided to change the 96 model slightly to give it more of a better shape, I have noticed as SP said the front and back of it is not completely flat.


You will enjoy the drive down to nog platform 1 now, you don't get slowed for the 20mph approach. However you do still need to decelerate to 30 by the time you reach the crossover.
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Post by SP1900 on Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:38 am

Thanks Ad for understanding my point in the design of the train. You really have changed the openBVE experience making the driving much more realistic. I have probably played this route more than 100 times now and have finally managed to master the stopping. I hope the rest of your projects go well. One more question though, will there be ATO codes for the train in the future?
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Post by Ad1992 on Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:09 pm

SP1900 wrote:Thanks Ad for understanding my point in the design of the train. You really have changed the openBVE experience making the driving much more realistic. I have probably played this route more than 100 times now and have finally managed to master the stopping. I hope the rest of your projects go well. One more question though, will there be ATO codes for the train in the future?
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Excellent, practice makes perfect.
As for ATO who knows, it isn't a priority though.
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Post by Revonthus on Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:19 pm

I've noticed the buttons on doors on the outside don't stay lit. I that how it's meant to be or just a small issue?
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Post by Ad1992 on Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:37 pm

Revonthus wrote:I've noticed the buttons on doors on the outside don't stay lit. I that how it's meant to be or just a small issue?
Have you never seen a 1996 stock train?

That is how it is meant to be. It is more for when the doors are in passenger mode, passengers can see that the door buttons are illuminated.
In operator mode the external door buttons briefly illuminate, presumably because they are programmed to before opening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0fHvzvxKLo
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Post by Revonthus on Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:57 pm

Ad1992 wrote:
Revonthus wrote:I've noticed the buttons on doors on the outside don't stay lit. I that how it's meant to be or just a small issue?
Have you never seen a 1996 stock train?
It's been a couple of years since I've seen one myself and recently found that video on Youtube, but it's alright my question has been answered.
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